For Episode 105 of the Wealth On Any Income Podcast, Rennie is joined by Kae Wagner. Kae is the founder and president of North Star Marketing and PQ FLOW Coaching. She's helped large and small businesses market their products and services and helped Business Owners, Executives and their teams increase their mental fitness.
For Episode 105 of the Wealth On Any Income Podcast, Rennie is joined by Kae Wagner. Kae is the founder and president of North Star Marketing and PQ FLOW Coaching. She's helped large and small businesses market their products and services and helped Business Owners, Executives and their teams increase their mental fitness.
Kae is passionate about the workplace - it's a place where there is so much human tragedy and yet it is a place where we can achieve our greatest human potential. As she sees the responsibility for this rests with leaders, her work is to help leaders change the workplace through the practices of PQ - Positive Intelligence Quotient.
In this episode, Rennie and Kae cover:
02:14 What Kae does using PQ Flow to help business owners and executives understand why more money doesn’t make them happier.
04:04 Why Kae brings so much passion to the work she does.
05:59 The type of non-profits and charities that Kae prefers to support and a great example – Revolution Lancaster.
07:48 One of Kae’s biggest business mistakes – moving to hands off too soon and what she learned from that.
10:53 Kae shares a case study where she used PQ Flow to help an executive overcome the “human tragedy” in his business.
14:09 How to take Kae’s Saboteur Assessment to understand and identify your saboteurs.
15:26 Kae shares why PQ works when so many other personal development opportunities fail or don't last.
Take the Saboteur Assessment to identify your Saboteurs and begin to understand how you've been sabotaging themselves. Visit https://kaewagner.simplero.com/page/249283- pqsaboteurlink
To learn about Kae visit https://kaewagner.simplero.com/about
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Rennie Gabriel 00:10
Hi folks, welcome to Episode 105 of the Wealth On Any Income Podcast. This is where we talk about money tips, techniques, attitudes, information, and provide inspiration around your business and your money. I'm your host, Rennie Gabriel. In past episodes, we spoke about how to understand the numbers from your business, how to measure the level of pleasure based on where you spend your money, how to track your money in 5 - 10 seconds, what determines how close you are to Complete Financial Choice®, and how to run your business without being in your business. And last week, we had Bob Wheeler, who spoke about how you can conquer your money shame over poor financial decisions, and how to make better choices in the future. Today we have as our guest, Kae Wagner. Kae is the founding member and president of North Star Marketing and PQ Flow Coaching. She's helped large and small businesses market their products and services, and help business owners, executives, and their teams increase their mental fitness. Kae is an author, writer, marketing strategist, and as I said, a PQ Flow Coach. She's passionate about the workplace. It's a place where there's so much human tragedy, and yet, it is a place where we can achieve our greatest human potential. The responsibility for this rests with leaders, and Kae's work is to help leaders change the workplace through the practices of PQ - Positive Intelligence Quotient. Kae, welcome to the Wealth On Any Income Podcast.
Kae Wagner 01:55
Thank you, Rennie, it is my pleasure to be here. I'm a big fan of yours, you know.
Rennie Gabriel 02:00
Oh, thank you. Well, let's get right to it with some questions. I've got an idea why you do what you do, but tell me more. Tell me why you're doing what you're doing.
Kae Wagner 02:14
So that's a great question, Rennie. And what I do is I help business owners and executives really understand why their money, why more and more money doesn't make many happier, right? Like, we have this dream in America that if we made a lot of money, we'd be happier and happier and happier. And the research shows that isn't quite so. So what I do is I help them understand their, what's keeping them from the success of their money, of the happiness of their money. And we work with them to achieve what I call ease and flow in their lives through PQ Flow Coaching. And PQ flow coaching, and the work that I do is based on Shirzad Chamine's work - best selling book - called Positive Intelligence, Why Only 20% of Teams and Individuals Achieve Their True Potential and How You Can Achieve Yours. So when you look at Positive Intelligence, Positive Intelligence is the amount of positivity in our lives, we'll get into some of those details, but we help people identify and weaken their saboteurs. They strengthen their self-command muscle, which is where you pivot from the saboteurs. And the saboteurs are those you know, thoughts in your head that are the crazy-makers, the ones that keep you awake at night, the ones that keep you filled with self-doubt. We use the self-command muscle and that's where the pivot is to the sage powers, the sage powers...
Rennie Gabriel 03:52
And Kae, you still haven't told me why you're doing this.
Kae Wagner 03:56
Oh, why? You want to know why I'm doing this. Of course you do.
Rennie Gabriel 04:00
In your bio it says what you do. But why?
Kae Wagner 04:04
I'm so sorry. Why? Why? Well, here's the thing, right? So this is great. This is big. So I am so passionate about the workplace and what happens in the workplace for several reasons. One is, think about how much time we spend, the average person spends in the workplace. It's a ton of time, right? And there's so much human tragedy that happens in the workplace, between teammates, between the different hierarchical levels in a business from the leader down. And yet, think about it also, Rennie, we spend this time in the workplace and it is also a place where we could achieve our greatest human potential. What greater joy do we have than working together, together, aligned towards a common goal and achieving that goal. There's so much joy, pleasure and contentment, a real sense of achievement in what happens in the workplace that we don't get anywhere else. And yet, and yet, bad things happen. Saboteurs reign, all the way from the leader saboteurs, the whole way down through the company. Think about all that chatter that's happening in a company with all the monkey minds and the people's minds, right? It's crazy town.
Rennie Gabriel 05:06
Okay, well, all right. So the impression I get is there's a passion with helping people in the workplace.
Kae Wagner 05:38
Correct. Okay, helping them stopping human tragedy.
Rennie Gabriel 05:43
Okay, great. And now, I try and lead by example, by donating 100% of the profits from the work I do to charities that support animals and veterans, tell me about the cause that's most important to you.
Kae Wagner 05:59
What I love to support not only with money, but also the time, are those endeavors and nonprofits that focus on helping people learn new skills or find ways to earn their way out of a hole, so to speak. I think we all understand, you know, the saying, Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day, teach a man a fish he can eat for lifetime. And so I love those nonprofits, and the people whose heart it is to help people get new skills and expertise, so they can not only help for the day, but help for a lifetime.
Rennie Gabriel 06:41
And I think one of them is specific to helping women learn skills that will help them increase their ability to become financially stronger, like Revolution Lancaster, right?
Kae Wagner 06:53
Yes, yes. Revolution Lancaster is a nonprofit that focuses on women who have experienced homelessness, who have children, who have families, and they are the sole support. And so they focus on helping them to learn skills that then can be applied in the workplace as well. And that's a perfect example of, you know, giving people something that goes beyond one day, goes into creating a better future for them and their families.
Rennie Gabriel 07:24
Sure, thank you. Now, tell me, what was your biggest failure, whether it was personal or business?
Kae Wagner 07:31
Well, I've had a lot of failures, Rennie. And I'm, I'm not sure that I want to start with a failure, but you're the interviewer. So we will.
Rennie Gabriel 07:39
We'll talk about the insight from it.
Kae Wagner 07:43
Okay. Okay. So there's a little redemption in this?
Rennie Gabriel 07:46
Yes, correct. Exactly.
Kae Wagner 07:48
Okay. All right. So I would say when I look back at the business aspect of my life, and I've had a business for several decades, my own business, I brought in a top leader. So I was of the mind that I was going to be become more of an absentee owner. And I was going to bring in this, you know, highly experienced person with expertise. And I made a major, I made a major mistake. So the mistake that I made was actually twofold. I brought in someone who was not prepared for that role. I didn't know it because on paper, it looked like it. And from what I kind of knew about him, it looked like it. So I would say my first red flag should have been for myself not doing enough due diligence, right? And then second, the second part of that failure again, you know, on my responsibility was that, and I teach people how to do this process of going from hands on, to hands free, to hand off. And I didn't do that process with them. I just walked out the door and said, 'I know you're going do a great job, let me know.' I'm kidding about the simplicity to this. But I know you're going to do a great job - I'll be back in three weeks, right? So it took me three years to recover from what almost became bankruptcy in that situation. It also, and probably here's another item, it's not part of the failure, it's part of the recovery or coming back, but it also took me three years to go from saying, 'What just happened here and whose fault is it?' - And it's not me, obviously, to the point where it was like, 'Okay, it's not his fault. It's not that, it's not them. It's not . . . Oh, I better look in the mirror, right?' And then it is a very, it takes a lot of grace and forgiveness for yourself to be able to say, 'Okay, I get it. I get it. It was me. I'm really you know, okay, let's, let's get through this now.'
Rennie Gabriel 10:03
I get it. And one of the things that what you described reminds me of, is taking my own advice. In other words, if a client came to me asking about, should they invest in a restaurant that their child is opening? I'd say, 'No, unless you're willing to lose the money'. Had I not taken that, had I taken my own advice that I would have given to someone else, that would have saved me $400,000. So I think the insight is, when you have good advice you can give to others, you also need to take it yourself.
Kae Wagner 10:40
Exactly, precisely.
Rennie Gabriel 10:43
Can you give me an example, like a case study that illustrates a problem that some company had and how you worked with them and what the result was?
Kae Wagner 10:53
Yes. In the work that I do with PQ Flow, Positive Intelligence, PQ is a framework that really impacts almost every part of your life. But initially, I work with executives and business owners to apply it to their business. And so I'll just give you a short story about that. I was working with an executive, he thought of himself, his self-image was that he was a what we would call a conscious leader, someone who was well in tune with his people, who had high empathy, compassion and kindness. And he did. And he provided his employees with many opportunities to learn and grow. He would give them the Book of the Month, and they'd have a little book study - that kind of stuff. But in our work together, we discovered that when we did some of the metrics, one of the metrics that measured how much they trusted him, he was very low on that metric. And he was very, very confused by that. And so when we had some open discussions and some frank, upfront honesty from his people, they said, 'Okay, so here's the deal. You do all of this for us, and we appreciate it. We see that you are, quote, unquote, an enlightened leader. But here's what happens. We make one mistake, and you totally cut us off at the knees. There is no grace or forgiveness whatsoever. And so while you do all this stuff, when you do the negative, it wipes out all the good will. And we don't know when it's going to happen. So we can't quite trust you'. And so with that revelation and that "aha", and that insight, and his willingness to finally accept that, he came to understand that all of that enlightenment stuff that he was doing, was just to buy people off for what he actually wants. His saboteurs were going to rage and he was going to go into his controller anger.
Rennie Gabriel 11:54
Interesting.
Kae Wagner 12:02
So you can see that just that shift begins an open space for a leader to say, 'Oh, my goodness, have I been doing this unconsciously?' Leaving behind a huge emotional wake. And this is what I call human tragedy, when a leader cuts his people off at the knees. What do you think happens with that? It's devastating at the workplace, and they carry that burden home. And that's a double whammy.
Rennie Gabriel 13:50
Exactly. And what you end up with is a company culture that reduces productivity.
Kae Wagner 13:57
Correct.
Rennie Gabriel 13:58
So thank you. Well, I know that our listeners will want to know more, is there some valuable resource that you can provide to people, like a free resource?
Kae Wagner 14:09
A free resource is always good. Yes. And so we talk about the saboteurs in Positive Intelligence. Saboteurs are those voices in your head, those modes of operation that you have in your mind that have become habits and they are part of your brain circuitry now. So like, for example, the judge or the controller, or the victim, the pleaser and so we do have an assessment that people can take to understand and identify their own saboteurs. And to go and find that you can go to pqflow.us.
Rennie Gabriel 14:55
Okay. There was something you emailed to me. It was Kae Wagner, simplero at page, whatever. Okay, if that's the correct link, I'll put that in the show notes.
Kae Wagner 15:08
Yes, please do. Yeah, if you have the show notes for simplero, one is better, both of them direct to the same page.
Rennie Gabriel 15:15
Perfect. Okay. Is there a question that I should have asked you that I didn't? And if you give me the question, what would the answer be also?
Kae Wagner 15:26
Okay, so yeah. Rennie, you asked really good questions, but maybe one that we should have talked about is why Positive Intelligence, why PQ works when so many other personal development opportunities fail or don't last. And the reason for that is that in PQ, we go to the root cause of sustainable change. And many other self development programs will give you wonderful insights, wonderful understanding, sometimes even transformation, but the problem is that there's a temporary lift, a temporary high, and then there's no sustainability. And so over time, probably within three weeks to definitely three months, that insight, just kind of fritters away. And the difference with PQ is that we give you those insights, we give you those aha 's, we give you that deep understanding. But then we teach you new habits. We teach you how to leave behind the old behavior, pivot, learn new habits that will sustain the practices in PQ. And that my friend is such a difference in the long-term, positive impact of PQ Positive Intelligence.
Rennie Gabriel 16:43
That makes so much sense. Thank you. Thank you, Kae, for being on the show.
Kae Wagner 16:49
Thank you.
Rennie Gabriel 16:51
And to my listeners, thank you for tuning in. Next week, we'll have Danny Iny, one of the leaders in the online educational space, supporting coaches, authors and entrepreneurs. So please tune in then. And you can listen to the Wealth On Any Income Podcast on your favorite platform. And please rate, review and subscribe. And if you'd like to know how books, movies and Society programs you to be poor, and what the cure is, then log on to wealthonanyincome.com/TEDx. You'll hear my TEDx talk and can request a free 9 Step, 27-Page Roadmap to Complete Financial Choice®, and receive a weekly email with tips, techniques, or inspiration around your business or your money. And if you'd like to see how you can increase your wealth and donate to the causes that touch your heart, please check out our affordable program, Wealth with Purpose, on the wealthonanyincome.com website. Until next week, be prosperous. Bye bye for now.